It took a court judgment to demonstrate to ministers the fault in their Alice in Wonderland logic.What is IPP?
The High Court has rightly held that it is illegal to detain people until they can prove that they are safe but yet deny them the means to do so. The only wonder is that it took a court judgment to demonstrate to ministers the fault in their Alice in Wonderland logic. It is a life sentence in all but name. The only real difference is that it can be given for far less serious offences. The Prison Reform Trust has come across people given tariffs for their sentence of just 18 weeks. The tariff, as in the life sentence, is the minimum time that must be served. It represents the retribution or punishment for the offence. But even after the tariff, the person remains in prison until they have done the courses necessary to demonstrate they are ready for release. But because of grotesque prison over-crowding and the low priority given to ‘education’ (including the courses required to qualify for release from an IPP) by the prison authorities, it is often simply impossible for an IPP prisoner to undergo the course required. Unless he has done the course, the parole board won’t consider him for release, even though he has served his tariff. So he has undergone the punishment imposed by the judge, but can’t be released because he can’t do the course that alone will satisfy the parole board that he is unlikely to commit a further offence.
What is IPP? - IPP stands for Indeterminate sentence for Public Protection - What this actually means is if you were to go to court and receive a 2 year sentence, 3 years, 4 years, etc..... with IPP you could be imprisoned for up to 99 years.
At the moment it is still up to the prisoner to prove that they are safe for release which is what makes it impossible as you cannot prove you are safe to release as you are in prison.
It is then up to a parole board to decide if they feel you are ready to be released back in to society, so prisoners and their families do not know IF or WHEN they will EVER be released.
You may be thinking right now that "well, if they have committed murder or something along those lines then they deserve it" - But they have NOT committed murder, if you were sentenced for murder you would receive a determinate sentence of approx 25 years or more - but you would know when you were due to be released and have something to work towards, in retrospect these 3,200 prisoners left in limbo (Guantanimo Bay) would have actually been released by now had they committed a manslaughter or murder.
IPP Prisoners are literally being left in limbo. A lot of IPP prisoners do not have any family support and feel that there is no hope left for them and it is because of this that approx every 2 weeks a suicide is reported in prison.
Where has it all gone wrong? There are currently around 3,200 prisoners that are still incarcerated beyond their tariff - Prisoners that received 2 years that were supposed to be released 9 years ago are actually still serving that sentence because there is no effective system in place that works. Ken Clarke last year abolished IPP and stated that it is inhumane - so now we need to move forward and deal with the IPPs that were already serving before it was abolished last year.
This is why the UK prisons are overcrowded and it's costing Tax-payers more and more every year, maybe this is one of the many causes as to why the United Kingdom has hit a debt of £3,000,000,000,000 -
It actually costs £41,000 per year per prisoner in the UK - Now, multiply that by 3,200 - the result of keeping just these 3,200 prisoners in past their tariff is costing us all £131,200,000 every year, that's without the cost of the rest.
Now, the old saying goes - If you can't do the time, don't do the crime - But, how can a prisoner serve their time if they do not know how much time they have to do?Ipp Prisoners Familys Campaign.
For thousands of IPP prisoners who are long past the tariff laid down by the courts when they were sentenced, this comes as worrying news indeed. To their families, it is nothing short of devastation.
The families and children of those incarcerated in an unjust and unfair penal system suffer as their loved ones remain in custody when they should have been given the chance of release long ago.Our 1 aim is to get a fixed determinate sentence for IPP prisoners.
Lobbying for change The Court of Appeal has ruled that it's unlawful for someone given an "indeterminate sentence for public protection" (IPP) to be kept in prison beyond his 'tariff' (the period set by the sentencing judge as the minimum required for punishment, release thereafter being permitted on condition that the offender satisfies the parole board that he won't reoffend) if he hasn't been able to take one of the prison courses whose completion is a condition of release. It
seems that a thousand or more prisoners serving IPPs are in this Kafkaesque, nightmare logical trap. It is a life sentence in all but name. The only real difference is that it can be given for far less serious offences. But even after the tariff, the person remains in prison until they have done the courses necessary to demonstrate they are ready for release. He would only be released if he "admitted guilt" Mr. Blunt commented that the previous Government had to reform the IPP arrangements in 2008, and that the current Government had inherited ‘a very serious problem’ with IPP prisoners. He said, ‘we have 6,000 IPP prisoners, well over 2,500 of whom have exceeded their tariff point. Many cannot get on courses because our prisons are wholly overcrowded and (they are) unable to address offending behaviour. For example if you had a prison term of 3years you may have five offending courses to finish as part of your sentence plan before you can be released. 18 month waiting list to do 1 course and that’s if they have the course at all at that prison .So instead of doing 3 years it may be 5 years or more until you have finished the courses. It seems you have to be smart to badger the prison to get on these courses..
Target: LASPO, The House ofLords, The Government, Ken Clarke, The Queen
Sponsored by: Lorna Elliott -Solicitor, IPP Prisoners Familys Campaign & Emmersons Solicitors
IPP is inhumane, against humanrights and breaches Human Rights Act 1998 Article 3 Prohibition of Torture - Noone shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment orpunishmentIPP stands for Indeterminate sentence for Public Protection - What thisactually means is if you were to go to court and receive a 2 year sentence, 3years, 4 years, etc..... with IPP you could be imprisoned for up to 99 years.Atthe moment it is still up to the prisoner to prove that they are safe forrelease which is what makes it impossible as you cannot prove you are safe torelease as you are in prison.It is then up to a parole board to decide if theyfeel you are ready to be released back in to society, so prisoners and theirfamilies do not know IF or WHEN they will EVER be released, this in itself ismental TORTURE, DEGRADING & INHUMANE.There are currently over 3,200prisoners that are over their tariff which is costing £41,000 each year foreach prisoner to remain in prison. For 3,200 prisoners this amounts to£131,200,000 each year and in total there are 88,000 prisoners in prison inthe UK.The main point of our campaign is not to argue whether or not theprisoners deserved to go to prison - The fact of the matter is that even if itmeans that prisoners are given longer sentences - be it 2 years, 3 years, 5years, 10 years, or even 25 years - then every human on this planet deserves toknow when they will be home with their children and/or families again, theydeserve to know what time they have to serve, change the existing IPP sentencesover to determinate sentences. less
IPP is inhumane, against humanrights and breaches Human Rights Act 1998 Article 3 Prohibition of Torture - Noone shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment orpunishmentIPP stands for Indeterminate sentence for Public Protection - What thisactually means is if you were to go to court and receive a 2 year sentence, 3years, 4 years, etc..... with IPP you could be imprisoned for up to 99 years.At the moment it is still up to the prisoner to prove that they are safe forrelease which is what makes it impossible as you cannot prove you are safe torelease as you are in prison. It is then up to a parole board to decide if theyfeel you are ready to be released back in to society, so prisoners and theirfamilies do not know IF or WHEN they will EVER be released, this in itself ismental TORTURE, DEGRADING & INHUMANE. There are currently over 3,200prisoners that are over their tariff which is costing £41,000 each year foreach prisoner to remain in prison. to remain in prison. For 3,200 prisonersthis amounts to £131,200,000 each year and in total there are 88,000 prisonersin prison in the UK. The main point of our campaign is not to argue whether ornot the prisoners deserved to go to prison - The fact of the matter is thateven if it means that prisoners are given longer sentences - be it 2 years, 3years, 5 years, 10 years, or even 25 years - then every human on this planetdeserves to know when they will be home with their children and/or familiesagain, they deserve to know what time they have to serve, change the existingIPP sentences over to determinate sentences.
Petition http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Determinate-Sentences-for-IPP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHC9wAOSjW0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHC9wAOSjW0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I2oTiq_msk&feature=relmfu
https://www.facebook.com/kgleeson3/posts/155546557905824?comment_id=288560&ref=notif¬if_t=like
What is IPP? - IPP stands for Indeterminate sentence for Public Protection - What this actually means is if you were to go to court and receive a 2 year sentence, 3 years, 4 years, etc..... with IPP you could be imprisoned for up to 99 years.
At the moment it is still up to the prisoner to prove that they are safe for release which is what makes it impossible as you cannot prove you are safe to release as you are in prison.
It is then up to a parole board to decide if they feel you are ready to be released back in to society, so prisoners and their families do not know IF or WHEN they will EVER be released.
You may be thinking right now that "well, if they have committed murder or something along those lines then they deserve it" - But they have NOT committed murder, if you were sentenced for murder you would receive a determinate sentence of approx 25 years or more - but you would know when you were due to be released and have something to work towards, in retrospect these 3,200 prisoners left in limbo (Guantanimo Bay) would have actually been released by now had they committed a manslaughter or murder.
IPP Prisoners are literally being left in limbo. A lot of IPP prisoners do not have any family support and feel that there is no hope left for them and it is because of this that approx every 2 weeks a suicide is reported in prison.
Where has it all gone wrong? There are currently around 3,200 prisoners that are still incarcerated beyond their tariff - Prisoners that received 2 years that were supposed to be released 9 years ago are actually still serving that sentence because there is no effective system in place that works. Ken Clarke last year abolished IPP and stated that it is inhumane - so now we need to move forward and deal with the IPPs that were already serving before it was abolished last year.
This is why the UK prisons are overcrowded and it's costing Tax-payers more and more every year, maybe this is one of the many causes as to why the United Kingdom has hit a debt of £3,000,000,000,000 -
It actually costs £41,000 per year per prisoner in the UK - Now, multiply that by 3,200 - the result of keeping just these 3,200 prisoners in past their tariff is costing us all £131,200,000 every year, that's without the cost of the rest.
Now, the old saying goes - If you can't do the time, don't do the crime - But, how can a prisoner serve their time if they do not know how much time they have to do?Ipp Prisoners Familys Campaign.
For thousands of IPP prisoners who are long past the tariff laid down by the courts when they were sentenced, this comes as worrying news indeed. To their families, it is nothing short of devastation.
The families and children of those incarcerated in an unjust and unfair penal system suffer as their loved ones remain in custody when they should have been given the chance of release long ago.Our 1 aim is to get a fixed determinate sentence for IPP prisoners.
Lobbying for change The Court of Appeal has ruled that it's unlawful for someone given an "indeterminate sentence for public protection" (IPP) to be kept in prison beyond his 'tariff' (the period set by the sentencing judge as the minimum required for punishment, release thereafter being permitted on condition that the offender satisfies the parole board that he won't reoffend) if he hasn't been able to take one of the prison courses whose completion is a condition of release. It
seems that a thousand or more prisoners serving IPPs are in this Kafkaesque, nightmare logical trap. It is a life sentence in all but name. The only real difference is that it can be given for far less serious offences. But even after the tariff, the person remains in prison until they have done the courses necessary to demonstrate they are ready for release. He would only be released if he "admitted guilt" Mr. Blunt commented that the previous Government had to reform the IPP arrangements in 2008, and that the current Government had inherited ‘a very serious problem’ with IPP prisoners. He said, ‘we have 6,000 IPP prisoners, well over 2,500 of whom have exceeded their tariff point. Many cannot get on courses because our prisons are wholly overcrowded and (they are) unable to address offending behaviour. For example if you had a prison term of 3years you may have five offending courses to finish as part of your sentence plan before you can be released. 18 month waiting list to do 1 course and that’s if they have the course at all at that prison .So instead of doing 3 years it may be 5 years or more until you have finished the courses. It seems you have to be smart to badger the prison to get on these courses..
Target: LASPO, The House ofLords, The Government, Ken Clarke, The Queen
Sponsored by: Lorna Elliott -Solicitor, IPP Prisoners Familys Campaign & Emmersons Solicitors
IPP is inhumane, against humanrights and breaches Human Rights Act 1998 Article 3 Prohibition of Torture - Noone shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment orpunishmentIPP stands for Indeterminate sentence for Public Protection - What thisactually means is if you were to go to court and receive a 2 year sentence, 3years, 4 years, etc..... with IPP you could be imprisoned for up to 99 years.Atthe moment it is still up to the prisoner to prove that they are safe forrelease which is what makes it impossible as you cannot prove you are safe torelease as you are in prison.It is then up to a parole board to decide if theyfeel you are ready to be released back in to society, so prisoners and theirfamilies do not know IF or WHEN they will EVER be released, this in itself ismental TORTURE, DEGRADING & INHUMANE.There are currently over 3,200prisoners that are over their tariff which is costing £41,000 each year foreach prisoner to remain in prison. For 3,200 prisoners this amounts to£131,200,000 each year and in total there are 88,000 prisoners in prison inthe UK.The main point of our campaign is not to argue whether or not theprisoners deserved to go to prison - The fact of the matter is that even if itmeans that prisoners are given longer sentences - be it 2 years, 3 years, 5years, 10 years, or even 25 years - then every human on this planet deserves toknow when they will be home with their children and/or families again, theydeserve to know what time they have to serve, change the existing IPP sentencesover to determinate sentences. less
IPP is inhumane, against humanrights and breaches Human Rights Act 1998 Article 3 Prohibition of Torture - Noone shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment orpunishmentIPP stands for Indeterminate sentence for Public Protection - What thisactually means is if you were to go to court and receive a 2 year sentence, 3years, 4 years, etc..... with IPP you could be imprisoned for up to 99 years.At the moment it is still up to the prisoner to prove that they are safe forrelease which is what makes it impossible as you cannot prove you are safe torelease as you are in prison. It is then up to a parole board to decide if theyfeel you are ready to be released back in to society, so prisoners and theirfamilies do not know IF or WHEN they will EVER be released, this in itself ismental TORTURE, DEGRADING & INHUMANE. There are currently over 3,200prisoners that are over their tariff which is costing £41,000 each year foreach prisoner to remain in prison. to remain in prison. For 3,200 prisonersthis amounts to £131,200,000 each year and in total there are 88,000 prisonersin prison in the UK. The main point of our campaign is not to argue whether ornot the prisoners deserved to go to prison - The fact of the matter is thateven if it means that prisoners are given longer sentences - be it 2 years, 3years, 5 years, 10 years, or even 25 years - then every human on this planetdeserves to know when they will be home with their children and/or familiesagain, they deserve to know what time they have to serve, change the existingIPP sentences over to determinate sentences.
Petition http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Determinate-Sentences-for-IPP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHC9wAOSjW0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHC9wAOSjW0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I2oTiq_msk&feature=relmfu
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